Kaggami
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Post by Kaggami on Mar 25, 2015 10:22:11 GMT
Anokata hasn´t appeared in front of Conan yet? But... but... Yoko was perfect! *sigh* there goes my theory... I still think she is related to the organization somehow.
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Post by StarlightDragons on Mar 25, 2015 16:21:17 GMT
it debunks a crapton of theories XD anokata might not have appeared at all; only in name.
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Post by House of Mystery on Mar 25, 2015 17:21:02 GMT
Alright, my theory:
One of Haibara's supposedly dead parents is Ano Kata. I think her father, at least, was touted to be a Big Deal in the science community by Dr. Agasa.
Heck, Haibara might've been part of a personal experiment from them to see whether they could raise progeny to follow in their footsteps. Of course, things didn't exactly work out well...
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Jennosaur
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Post by Jennosaur on Mar 25, 2015 23:27:44 GMT
I think it's hilarious that Gosho had to confirm that Conan isn't Anokata, lol. There are some people in this world that just can't be helped :')
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Post by StarlightDragons on Mar 26, 2015 1:28:07 GMT
oh wow, seriously? XD well... where's that anokata thread, anyway...? It's a good fanfic idea though ^^
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Post by Mikauzoran on Mar 27, 2015 3:25:40 GMT
Haha. Conan as Anokata. That goes against the whole rule of detective fiction where the detective can't be the murderer. Though...Mouse Trap, anyone?
Anyway, if it were to be one of Shiho's parents, I think it would be her mom.
By the by, Natsumi...speaking of Conan being Anokata... You're probably busy with school and ACT stuff, though. Good luck! Really, the ACT isn't such a big deal. At least...not when I took it half a decade ago, anyway. I never did any prep or studying, and I got a 28, so it's really not too bad. Don't stress. You're smart, and you'll do fine. And then maybe you can get back to working on the whole Conan-Shinichi-Hajime-Anokata thing? ^.^
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Post by airbournebearcarcass on Mar 28, 2015 4:41:25 GMT
What if someone from Magic Kaito is Anokata and someone from DC is holding onto the Pandora?
Like Anokata is Akako, Akako is using her witch powers to control everyone and attempts to achieve magical powers via science or something crazy like that.
Pandora is actually Akai family treasure, it shrank the mystery child and Akai is wearing it under his knit cap all along to keep it safe (like that meme)
On an unrelated note, I suspect someone spiked my morning milk today.
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Post by TinyTantei on Mar 28, 2015 22:23:27 GMT
Speaking of crossovers, just casually bringing this "gem" (badum-tsh) back from earlier in the thread. I love the Toichi = Anokata theory, even if it is really crack-ish, because it just fits in with so much that we don't know about Toichi?
Even if Chikage was Corbeau, that doesn't necessarily rule out Toichi having faked his death, only that he hasn't returned.
Two rivaling secret organizations, Snake's boss blackmailing Toichi (who he doesn't know is Anokata) into trying to find Pandora for him (the question now is why Toichi, of all phantom thieves? Was he already targeting jewels? And if so, then why was he doing so? Possibly, he had already found out about the rumor of Pandora, and the mysterious MK boss decided to use an already-public figure to find what he wanted, not knowing that Toichi wanted the same thing)... Toichi faking his own death so that he can resume his life as Anokata and not worry about Kaito or Chikage getting in trouble, the fact that the formula of APTX has minute age reversal properties, which may or may not be linked to Pandora's supposed immortality serum...the Pandora that Toichi had been searching for forever...
Man, imagine Kaito finding out that his dead father spearheads the organization that tried to kill his tantei-kun. And with Toichi's disguising abilities (considering he taught Yukiko everything she knew, think about how much he knows) and of course his abilities as the original Kaito KID, making sure nobody found out the secret behind Anokata would be a cakewalk.
Of course, whether Chikage knew or not would be debatable, because while she's also interpreted as a no-kill thief like Toichi and Kaito, that might not necessarily be the case. We see very little about Phantom Lady, apart from her tryst on the Eiffel Tower, so we can't tell for sure if she's totally against harming civilians. The only civilian she's really ever shown interacting with, in fact, is Aoko, who she already has an emotional connection with. If she didn't know about it, then it would keep her and Kaito safer from the truth, but if she did know it...well, that would explain her desire to pull Kaito Corbeau out and test her son. A family business? Perhaps one that Kaito has not agreed to undertake?
That in itself could also explain why Toichi put the KIDcave in Kaito's room. Emotional manipulation into Kaito following in his father's footsteps, because Toichi knew how much his son idolized him. Perhaps Snake's organization was a slight mishap on his part, a lack of judgment in thinking that he'd be able to protect Kaito from the men who tried to kill him before, but it pushed his son further into trying to look for Pandora. And if Kaito Corbeau or even Kuroba Toichi himself were to come back and claim to want to destroy it, just as Kaito did the dirty work and found Pandora for the sake of the man who was supposed to be dead, well...who would Kaito be to say no to the man whose death he had been trying to avenge for the past how long?
[laughs quietly] And that is my "support a crack theory" post for this month.
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Post by ichthyophobia on Mar 28, 2015 22:43:59 GMT
I think that Snake's boss blackmailing/trying to use Toichi is more fanon than canon. When Snake was introduced in Blue Birthday, he mentioned that Toichi'd been warned to stay away from gems - there wasn't anything about "unless you're working for us".
As to the rest of the theory, though, it seems to discount Konosuke Jii. Jii was with Toichi for years, like, even before he met Chikage. If Toichi had that kind of secret, Jii would've noticed something, or he would've been replaced with an assistant from within the org. And if Jii was from within the org, there would be no reason to make Jii think Toichi was dead - after all, faking his own death would be much easier with an assistant. (I guess we have no evidence that Jii isn't lying about believing Toichi is dead, but it would be a bit weird if he was).
The emotional aspect of it though is fascinating, though. Good theory.
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Post by House of Mystery on Mar 28, 2015 23:51:46 GMT
Guh. The issue here is that MK's erratic, episodic schedule means that "important" bits of exposition are almost never going to be dropped. Hell, we still don't really know what Toichi's motivation for continuing as Kaitou Kid really was - the excuse he gave in "Phantom Lady" was that he was doing it so Kaito's mother could retire in anonymity, wasn't it? Surely that's not something that would take TEN YEARS to do?
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Post by Faliara on Mar 29, 2015 9:42:16 GMT
Maybe he found it fun and decided to keep going afterwards? *stares at adrenaline junkies*
Also, there's this really long theory post on YouTube- I don't know why they put it on YouTube, or why it's as long as it is- but it would fit in here. It's on one of the Detective Conan AMVs, I think. If I remember correctly, his biggest bet was Renya Karasuma from The Gathering of the Detectives?...
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Post by assasin8 on Apr 1, 2015 4:45:05 GMT
The idea that the boss might be someone who only ever appeared for one case reminds me of Shugo Chara, where you actually did meet the boss in an episode before they were revealed to be the boss, but they were only on screen for about five minutes and were never important again. I think I would have really mixed feelings if Gosho pulled something like that on us... It makes me wonder though, WOULD Gosho make the boss someone who was more connected to the MK universe? I mean, imagine if the boss ended up being Hakuba or Nakamori-keibu or something. Also, the thing about Toichi is that he's set up as a very respectable and honorable man, even after death. To date, I can't think of any characters that have violated normal moral codes unless it was established as a part if their character (excluding all the random murderers from various cases, of course) Usually, if a character is meant to be portrayed as noble, they'll be noble people. If they're in a moral grey area, they do questionable things. Do you guys think that Gosho would pull something like a 180 character reevaluation plot twist to shock us? Even outside of Toichi's case, do you think that he would completely reverse our opinion of someone by revealing the boss to be someone we would've never ACTUALLY expected? I actually can't think of a good answer, because on one hand he hasn't set that precedent, yet on the other, he DOES seem to have a thing for red herrings...
Yeah, I don't even know if that paragraph makes any sense to anyone except me.
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TinyTantei
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Post by TinyTantei on Apr 1, 2015 4:57:01 GMT
I mean, the information we have about Toichi is so dependent on the characters' interpretations of him, considering we only see him in brief flashbacks and those are from people close to him (AKA his son and wife) remembering only the good times before his death (or his death itself), so there's definitely some narrative bias there.
Everybody else, though, we're really seen in at least a few independent scenes where we can gauge their character at least a little better. I dunno, Toichi's just always been this big question mark in the middle of the cast. How was/is he, really? We may never know.
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Post by Mikauzoran on Apr 1, 2015 11:22:08 GMT
I have a sneaking suspicion that Toi-chan isn't as good and noble as his son remembers him. I think it could go either way. Either he's just as good as Kaito remembers him, or he's secretly evil and fooling us all. I'm just waiting for him to pop up and say, "Surprise! I faked my death, and I've just been testing you, but I'm back now!"
In other news, Superintendent Hakuba is the Big Bad. *Nods*
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Post by airbournebearcarcass on Apr 1, 2015 11:34:30 GMT
I have a sneaking suspicion that Toi-chan isn't as good and noble as his son remembers him. I think it could go either way. Either he's just as good as Kaito remembers him, or he's secretly evil and fooling us all. I'm just waiting for him to pop up and say, "Surprise! I faked my death, and I've just been testing you, but I'm back now!" In other news, Superintendent Hakuba is the Big Bad. *Nods* I really fancy the idea of an evil Toichi or an evil Superintendent Hakuba. Haha. Conan as Anokata. That goes against the whole rule of detective fiction where the detective can't be the murderer. Though...Mouse Trap, anyone? But maybe Conan is an unreliable narrator and Gin did not realise Shinichi was Anokata so Gin hit him and fed him poison....
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