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Post by Krista on Aug 20, 2014 0:25:50 GMT
I'm making this thread because I would like to know if anyone has any theories on who "Anokata" or "That Person" is. I have a theory of my own. I am almost completely convinced that Anokata is James Black. Here is my reasoning: 1) The Detective Conan Wiki cites Gosho Aoyama as stating in interviews that the Boss, as well as his full name, has appeared in the manga. 2) I think it would be fair to state that the Boss is the Moriarty to Conan's Sherlock (as Yusaku is Conan's Mycroft, Agasa is his Watson, and I would even say that Ai is supposed to be the Irene Alder equivalent in the story - oh, and the Detective Boys are the Baker Street Irregulars). 3) With this in mind, the very first time James shows up, we are given several important clues. First, he was born in England in the Baker Street district, giving him a Sherlock Holmes connection, but then he goes on to say that he was raised in Chicago, and specifically mentions that it was home to the infamous crime boss, Al Capone. But MOST important, at the end of that particular adventure, Conan comments on the name "James," and Ai speculates that he likes it because of James Bond. Conan disagrees, and says it puts him more in mind of James Moriarty. This right here struck me. In the entire series, Conan has only associated ONE person with Moriarty - James Black. And then there is the rather obvious tie between the Org and James' last name... 6_6 4) James also refers to Conan as "Cool Guy" at the end of that first adventure. Who is the next person to refer to Conan as Cool Guy? None other than Vermouth. 5) This might be a stretch, but how did the Black Org figure out in which hospital Kir was being kept? There are over 2,000 hospital and clinics in the greater Tokyo area. And when Jodie keeps insisting on moving Kir to a hospital in America, it's James Black who over-rides that decision, saying "It's what they would expect." And yet the Org is able to figure out which hospital she is in. How is never explained. My guess, obviously, is that Mr. Black, er, narrowed it down for them. 6) When Jodie shows James a picture of Sera (Manga chapter 780), he immediately refers to her as a girl that he has never seen before, and when asked about how he could tell she was a girl (when NO one else, even Kid, was able to tell) he just says he has wisdom that comes with age, blah blah blah. Highly suspicious, if you ask me. And THIS makes me wonder exactly how Akai, Sera and the Mysterious Child are connected to the Black Org. It certainly lends credence to the theory that the Mysterious Child is another Apotoxin victim. 7) Who is Moriarty in the Sherlock Holmes books? Yes, he is the Napoleon of Crime, but he is also a highly respected professor, well known and well liked. His distinguished and respectable public face perfectly hides his seedy underbelly. I can't think of a better parallel in Detective Conan than James Black. And, as head of the FBI push to uncover the Black Org in Japan, who else is in a better position to play the Long Game? Anyway, there you have it - my Anokata theory. I'd love to hear if you agree or disagree.
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Post by Crimson Amarone on Aug 20, 2014 1:48:14 GMT
I don't particularly have a theory myself for Ano Kata. I think a lot of clues that you are picking up for him were definitely to make him seem suspicious during the Vermouth arc before we knew he was with the FBI. Whether they were meant as clues that he is Ano Kata, I'm not sure. 5) Well I'm pretty sure where Kir crashed was somewhere in Haido. They were coming from Haido Park and intercepting the BO at Toriya Bridge. I couldn't find if Toriya was still in Haido, but I'm fairly certain it was or at least close enough. With that in mind, and with the presence of Rikumichi Kusuda, I'm assuming there were many BO agents dispatched to many hospitals throughout the area. Akai explained how they would have found it out at the end of chapter 598 after Kusuda shot himself. "They will eventually know about it... this guy must have been sending them periodical reports about his investigation at the hospital... If these reports stop completely... And if it was a daily report, then... they'll come soon, maybe tomorrow..." 6) I think James is just familiar with Akai and his family and is keeping it a secret, whereas Jodie and Camel must not be. I don't necessarily think him recognizing Sera as a girl has much to do with the BO. Besides that who knows.
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Post by Nechangi on Oct 7, 2014 19:43:04 GMT
Ooh, I like this theory. It's exceptional
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Post by Kaggami on Oct 13, 2014 21:00:13 GMT
Me and my sister also support this theory. If Conan still had any luck in him, then it will be someone else, but I cannot help but suspect Black.
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Post by assasin8 on Oct 13, 2014 21:44:10 GMT
That's a pretty convincing theory... I can't help but feel like hindsight bias is going to come into play when the boss is finally revealed! I've heard a lot of lot of theories, like maybe it's Mouri, maybe it's Akai, maybe it's Sonoko, heck maybe it's one of the kids who have been shrunk (I find it really hard support those theories though... Except for Akai, I kind of find that one believable) For me personally, believe it or not, my main theory is that the boss is Okino Youko. Yes, I know, it's insane, but Gosho didn't actually expect the series to last very long, and therefore it's not inconceivable to a lot of fans that the boss appeared somewhere in the early manga chapters. It's already been confirmed that the boss isn't Agaga, and it's not Yuusaku, and I didn't really have a long list of characters that appeared early and are still somewhat recurring... Also, both she and Vermouth are actresses, and it's possible that they met and became good friends through love of the stage before starting an underground crime syndicate.... yes, crazy theory, but that's what I got!
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Post by Nechangi on Oct 14, 2014 13:24:19 GMT
Ô.Ô !!! Yoko Okino! What an awesome idea XD
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Post by StarlightDragons on Oct 14, 2014 15:34:45 GMT
I like the James Black theory, but I also think Okino Yoko could possibly be Anokata. I remember reading some evidence about it, can't remember from where, though. Something about how whenever the BO is mentioned without one of the members appearing, Yoko appears instead. Also, it would be interesting. XD But James Black has so many connections pointing to Anokata, and I'm leaning towards him, although I hope he isn't, I like him D:
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Post by dogfish44 on Oct 15, 2014 0:04:22 GMT
I'm a supporter of the Okino Yoko theory... lemme go digging.... aha! The old thread might be gone, but Chekhov managed to save the OP. Thus cementing my theory that Chekhov is a crazy person. I like crazy though ^_^ Theory was made early 2010, for reference. {Theory} That's.... a substantial amount of evidence. I might read a bit more to see if I can find any more hints...
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Post by StarlightDragons on Oct 15, 2014 2:37:37 GMT
Yes! That's the one I remember reading, thanks for dragging that up. It's very comprehensive, and almost convinced me. Except James Black. I'm currently divided between those two. XD
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Post by assasin8 on Oct 15, 2014 19:14:36 GMT
Wow, I didn't think people would actually consider that theory one plausible.... But now I'm more convinced!
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Post by Nechangi on Oct 16, 2014 8:19:51 GMT
THAT'S IT! I'm finished. Yoko is the big bad wolf. The line about Irene Adler convinced me. Now how do I make my boss into her? =.=
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Post by donahermurphy on Oct 25, 2014 21:18:43 GMT
Current theory? Toichi Kuroba is the boss.
SPOILERS
SPOILERS for MK Ch 33
IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE SPOILED, DO NOT READ BELOW THIS POINT
Everybody with me? Okay, good.
Now, Kaito Corbeau reveals his face as Toichi Kuroba. Not that this is final proof of identity or anything, but IF Kaito Corbeau= Toichi Kuroba, THEN we really have to re-think how much we know about Toichi Kuroba's character.
1)He was, according to his grieving son, "the greatest magician in the world." According to others, he was at least a very very good magician. Okay, so he has a lot of technical skill. Intelligent. Skilled at hiding things in plain sight. One we put Kaito's hero-worship aside, we can see these talents, while impressive, do not necessarily indicate moral quality.
2) Kaito remembers his father as a very loving, doting father. Fair enough. No one said the boss had to be an inhuman monster. At the same time, no one said Kaito's idealized impression of his father had to be completely accurate. Consider what actually happens during the whole "poker face" lesson. Post-magic show, Toichi plucks Kaito away from the cop's daughter with a "don't tease the ladies," and then takes Kaito along to his private poker game with rich, well-dressed men, one of whom wears sunglasses indoors. Much less the whole "poker face" lesson itself. If Toichi IS in fact alive, hiding his survival from his son for almost a decade hints at psychological depths readers hadn't considered before. Sure, Kuroba Toichi seems FOND of his son in all those flashbacks. But that doesn't mean he's necessarily the person Kaito thinks he is. Kaito was very quick to jump on the "my Dad was trying to keep the immortality gem out of the hands of these evil gunmen because he was a good person" train. But Kaito never got to hear all of the tape. What if Toichi wanted the gem for himself? Or for the organization he was involved in.
2)Toichi Kuroba was engaged in some shady things, even besides the Kid stuff. Canon: threatening two grade-school children with a knife in a deserted classroom prior to setting them a friendly riddle. (Detective Conan, Shinichi and Ran) Canon: he was already a magician when he met Phantom Lady. We never see his decision for becoming a great Phantom Thief, but it is certain that he makes a deliberate choice to become one. How likely is it that a completely law-abiding magicain would be so confident in not only his own skills, but to so casually enlist the aid of his "magician's assistant" in law-breaking activity?" Toichi Kuroba had likely broken the law before. (Possibility: Kaito 1412 was created as a form of audition, to demonstrate his candidacy as successor to the current boss of the Black Org.)
3) Jii. This "magician's assistant" had very few qualms (if any) about breaking the law, even as early as Kuroba Toichi's very first heist. Likelihood he not only has a criminal past, but a criminal past that Toichi knew about prior to Toichi's first heist. Jii is not necessarily Black Org, (or high up enough to know much about it) but what he does know about Toichi's criminal activity, Toichi wanted Jii to keep secret from Kaito.
4) Toichi displayed interest in a magical gem that created immortality, instead of laughing off the crazies. Look, people commissioning gems are not necessarily going to do so for sane reasons. Why did Toichi even believe in Pandora as a legitimate threat?
5) Evidence that MK Organization = The Black Organization is mostly that, if there were two secret organizations with guns operating around Tokyo, there would be a lot of dead trenchcoats around. But that rests on the assumption that the MK Organization knows about the BO and its goals. What if the BO had been trying to hide even from their competition, until such a time that the MK Organization could be taken out? Or perhaps the MK Organization happens to be doing thier work for them at the moment, so the BO is keeping them around until the MK Org actually stumbles across immortality. The MK Org seems to have a more cultlike and mystical mentality- the BO could be posing as a regular weapons trafficking organization and keeping their interest in immortality on the dl. It's quite possible the MK Organization did in fact try to kill Toichi, who did not retaliate because it made a good way to keep his (criminally accomplished, but retired) wife and young son out of all this criminal business while he went off to do his own thing. But there is evidence that the MK Organization regarded Toichi as dangerous (or having dangerous connections), not just as a "pacifist thief" annoyance. Why would Snake bother to WARN Kid to stay away from the gems via public phone, instead of starting with a sniper bullet. Moral qualms?
6) If Toichi Kuroba IS the boss, he meets these three criteria: a) his full name of the boss has appeared somewhere in the manga. b) the Black Organization is not the name of the Organization- the formal name in fact gives away the boss's name.(While not independently verified, this info is considered "Credible" on Detective Conan wiki.) If it is in fact the "Back Feather" Organization," it would have taken the fans perhaps .3 seconds to deduce the ID of the boss. c) Toichi Kuroba was already a known character in the author's mind- important because Gosho did not originally think the DC series would last longer than 3 months.
7) It's clear there are different hierarchies within the organization. Jii's limited knowledge of what actually happened the night of Toichi's "death" makes sense in this context. Toichi was cutting ties with those involved in his family life.
This theory supposes that Toichi ascended to the title of "Boss" slightly before or after his "death," and that the previous "Boss" (also seeking immortality, and was doing so for at least 50 years) was a figure (teacher?) closely connected with Toichi during Toichi's magician days. (Perhaps it was one of those grandparents Kaito has never encountered.) It also supposes that, prior to his death, Toichi was more loosely connected with the Org -an independent contractor, rather than an active agent, which suits the profile of a possible candidate being groomed as the bosses' heir. You don't want a bunch of active Agents all hoping to be the Boss, if the eventual successor is going to have to rely on them to carry out his orders later.
Feel free to comment- anything you know that might support or counteract my argument would be appreciated.
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Post by donahemurphy on Oct 25, 2014 21:24:08 GMT
...And I completely forgot to write about the whole "Crow" theme going on, but I suppose that part is actually fairly straightforward.
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Post by Doku on Oct 26, 2014 0:42:56 GMT
I dunno about Toichi being the boss. Conan was intended to be a lot shorter than it's turned out, so I'm pretty sure the name of the boss was revealed sometime before the crossover happened.
That's just my feelings about it though.
I have a crack theory about Heiji secretly being the boss, but that just extends to him sitting in an office, cackling evilly and rubbing his hands together while exclaiming, "Yes! It was me all along!"
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Post by Kaggami on Oct 26, 2014 13:28:48 GMT
Hmm... No, I just can´t imagine it being Toichi. Nope.
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