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Post by ichthyophobia on Oct 25, 2014 17:45:13 GMT
Another strategy for telling them apart might be the differences in ability. While Kaito can imitate mannerisms, he isn't trained as a detective or as a soccer player. Meanwhile, Shinichi can and has deduced hobbies, occupations, and recent history from a glance or a handshake. Shinichi would probably be able to prove himself to the satisfaction of most by doing exactly that to bystanders or whoever was trying to tell them apart. Of course, if Kaito's been spying, he could fake that and sort of reverse-deduce to find evidence for things he already knows, so it's not foolproof. That leaves soccer. I can't see Nakamori accepting anything athletic as evidence, just because he knows firsthand how versatile the Kid is. But Shinichi could probably convince Ran or anyone who was close to him with that. Relying on anything Kaito can do that Shinichi can't wouldn't work. Since Kaito's trying to prove that he's Shinichi, if there's something he can do that Shinichi can't, he won't do it. Unless he's provoked by something like an unforeseen fishtank, but that could come off as a bit too author-convenient. However, since you've stated it's the police doing this, the obvious solution is fingerprints. If Shinichi's handled evidence (which he totally has), then the police would have his fingerprints on file to distinguish them from suspect's fingerprints. (This is one of those bits of reality that DC ignores in order to work--at this point the police should have both Shinichi's and Conan's fingerprints on file, and somebody should really have noticed something by now. ) And this method, Nakamori would totally go for. If you're worried about drawing reader attention to the fact that at that point police would definitely have both Conan's and Shinichi's fingerprints, consider that there's no way Kaitou Kid is getting anywhere near a fingerprinting kit. Basically whichever one refuses to be fingerprinted would be Kid. (And yes, Kid can falsify fingerprints as per Lost Ship in the Sky, but those are really difficult, and Shinichi hasn't been full-size for a while for Kid to get the right-size copies.) ...Unless you want to have Shinichi refuse for the aforementioned Conan's-fingerprints reason. Which brings you back to square one. But hopefully that helps!
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Post by Nikudou Natsumi on Nov 9, 2014 21:44:18 GMT
Anyone have any ideas for how the Black Organization recruits members?
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Post by StarlightDragons on Nov 9, 2014 21:52:26 GMT
I imagine by looking through records for intelligent but sorta shady or desperate people, then spying on them for a while to assess capability, then approach them through that. Or by criminal underworld connections, if the recruit is already active as that sort of worker. Or they go around picking up promising kids. Which is why the Detective Boys should be careful XD
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Post by Nikudou Natsumi on Nov 9, 2014 21:59:57 GMT
Lol, like kidnap kids and force them to be trained by them? Or something else?
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Post by ichthyophobia on Nov 9, 2014 22:16:31 GMT
We've only seen super high level members, for the most part, and I imagine those are recruited internally.
But as for low level members, I've always thought the Black org would have to control or be rooted in legitimate (or apparently legitimate) companies, so they could do some recruiting through those entirely legal means. For example, when Sherry and her parents were doing research, there were a ton of scientists under them. They couldn't have erased the existence of every single person there without raising suspicion, so those people would still have taxes, apartments, etc, that would be visible to authoritative agencies. That company, which hired those scientists, would have to be legitimate.
Additionally, by backing loan sharks, casinos, or similar businesses the Black Org could get a lot of leverage over people with debt, which may be where disposable operatives (like the two who worked with Akemi on the billion-yen bank robbery) come from.
Another method may be by dismantling rival gangs. Once a gang's leadership is destroyed, any useful-looking members could be recruited. And since the Black Org prefers to remain invisible, it might just take over the leadership and leave the gang itself intact as sort of a puppet organization. At that point the gang could grow and operate mostly independently, but the Black Org would be able to recruit from within it without anyone but the leadership being able to say anything about the Org in case the gang was taken down. Hopefully that helps.
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Post by neonquincy1217 on Nov 10, 2014 9:56:07 GMT
I have a question, too...
How do you guys think Conan will react if Subaru-san confronts him, saying, "I know you're Kudou Shinichi," or maybe something along the lines of "You really are Kudou Shinichi, aren't you"?
I mean, I know he already found out about it in Kudou Yuusaku's Cold Case, but he quickly added, "That's what he said" after "right, Kudou Shinichi" so that it wouldn't sound too obvious... But what if he confronts him straight out when he and Conan gets a time alone?
Thanks in advance!~ ^_^
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Post by Nikudou Natsumi on Nov 10, 2014 13:55:07 GMT
Hmmm, I think Conan's a bit suspicious about him, so maybe not too surprised about it . . . He'll probably reject it outright with his "I'm a little kid excuse", but if Subaru-san persists, he might give in . . .
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Post by neonquincy1217 on Nov 11, 2014 14:33:53 GMT
Do you think Subaru-san will go as far as blackmailing him, like how Heiji did when he found out? If not then how do you think he will pressure him to telling the truth? Again, thankies in advance
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Post by Nikudou Natsumi on Nov 11, 2014 14:40:50 GMT
He doesn't seem like one that would blackmail him. As for trying to pressure him . . . That's a bit harder. I'll have to think about it when I'm not pressured to do other things (since I'm in school right now). Sorry.
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Post by Doku on Nov 11, 2014 14:48:20 GMT
Blackmail definitely seems more like Heiji's style than Hakuba's. Of course, that could be because Conan knocked him out and completely butchered Osaka-ben, so he had an extra special beef.
Hakuba would definitely try to put the pressure on, though, in a very subtle way.
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Post by neonquincy1217 on Nov 11, 2014 15:21:08 GMT
I'm trying to establish that Subaru-san has been suspecting him for a long time but only got the evidence he needs back in the Yuusaku Cold Case, then he only confronted him recently... And that he probably got the idea from watching Ai-chan from a distance.
Since Subaru-san knows Ai-chan is really Miyano Shiho, then maybe he pulled the same idea from there, secretly investigated on Conan and, unsatisfied with his evidence, confronted him directly.
As for 'pressure in the very subtle way,' uhm...
How does a Holmes story reference sound to you? Something to make Conan admit...?
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Post by Doku on Nov 11, 2014 15:39:09 GMT
Holmes might be a little too easy, since even children read Sherlock Holmes or watch the movies. Especially since Conan likes to "play detective", a lot of people could brush it off that he just really likes detective stories.
You could make up a reference, something that has to do with one of Yusaku's books - maybe an early work that most people didn't pay attention to or something really subtle about the Night Baron only a few people would know. Even if Shinichi didn't recognize right away that his dad was dressed up as the Night Baron (which, understandable, it was a really stressful situation), he could have easily picked something up from his dad.
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Post by Nikudou Natsumi on Dec 29, 2014 1:17:01 GMT
Guys . . . I'm still stuck on the Takagi-questioning-Conan issue That's the next scene that I'm supposed to write in Shinichi's Return, but no matter where I ask for advice, it seems like half the people say he'll be straightforward, and the other half say he'll be more roundabout about it . . . I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO~~~ DX
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Post by Mikauzoran on Dec 29, 2014 1:34:14 GMT
Well, if you're stuck between the two options, my (sucky and probably unsatisfying) advice is to try your hand at writing the scene both ways, and then see which way turns out better and feels more natural. I know, I know. You're probably giving me the -.- "Seriously, Mikau?" face, aren't you. I'd be giving me the face too, if I were on the receiving end. Still, if you're truly stuck, try it and see if anything usable comes from it. You never know. Maybe you'll stumble upon something because of this exercise, and you might be able to salvage something from it. Good luck, Natsumi!
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Post by Nikudou Natsumi on Dec 29, 2014 1:37:45 GMT
Actually, the face I had was more of a tilted one. Well, I'll try it. Arigatou, Mikau!
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