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Post by Mikauzoran on Dec 2, 2014 19:09:52 GMT
I actually like all of the minor pairings you mentioned and I think Kazuha and Heiji are adorable, but I can't really support ShinRa or KaiAo. That's really because I like Ran and Aoko too much, and I think they deserve better because they are amazing young women. Now, I'm not saying that Kaito and Shinichi are bad guys by any means. They too are noble and brave and sweet, wonderful guys in general. It's the plot of DCMK that's the problem. If Shinichi had never shrunk and Kaito had never become Kid, ShinRa and KaiAo would be wonderful pairings that would have my full support.
The problem with the story as it is is the lying and going behind the girls' backs. Now, in Shinichi's case, it's totally understandable. There's nothing he can do but lie to protect her. His hands are tied, so he has no choice. But in the meantime, Ran is really suffering. It would be better if he called or texted her more often, but as things are, he's just kind of run off and left her hanging. I think the love between Shinichi and Ran is beautiful, but their relationship right now is unhealthy and unfair to Ran. I really think he should set her free for the time being, and if he's ever able to turn back, he should be honest with her, let her have some time to be royally ticked, and then see if they can start over.
As for KaiAo...gosh, they're so cute, but...you see how he hurts her, and it's a real shame because, again, they're adorable, but I think Kid has really come between them and killed any chance of a relationship. Do you honestly think Aoko is going to be okay with the whole Kid thing once she finds out? There's no telling how long it could stretch on, and in the meantime her father is being taken away from her by work and humiliated by Kid, and Kaito can't be the best friend she needs because he's busy saving the world. Even if she can get over the whole Kid thing (because, really, Kaito does have good reasons), there's still the lying problem in general. Could you be with a guy that lied to you for years about something that major? Could you ever trust him again? I think Kid has really damaged their chances at a romantic relationship, but I think they could still salvage their friendship a couple years down the line.
And that's why I can't support ShinRa and KaiAo. I really wish I could, but...yeah. As a woman, I know I wouldn't want to be in that kind of relationship, and I really like Aoko and Ran, so I truly wish them happiness elsewhere.
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Post by Doku on Dec 2, 2014 19:49:19 GMT
I've mentioned this plenty of times, but I ship a lot of different pairings. From the ones you mentioned (except ShukichixYumi and I'm a little meh on KogorouxEri), to others like HeiShin, KazuRan, HeiRan, HeiShinRan.
Sure, some of the relationships have their problems (a huge understatement) but I've also got a thing for toxic relationships and dysfunctional relationships in fiction. I like to add that element when I write stories with them too. Like in a recent story, I heavily implied that things aren't okay with Kaito and Aoko because of Kid, but that they want to work it out.
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Post by kkrazy256 on Dec 2, 2014 19:56:08 GMT
Mikau's post just basically summed up how I feel about ShinRan and AoKai. Usually, I'll have most of my stories take place a bit in the future where most of them are in college and Ran and Aoko find boyfriends. The minor pairings are actually alright in my opinion. However, the amount of childhood friend couples does get repetitive. ShinKai has been my guilty pleasure to write but HakuKai is growing on me. Actually any pairing where Kaito isn't the dominant partner works for me ahahaha ^^'
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Post by Mikauzoran on Dec 2, 2014 20:48:32 GMT
Hehe. I have to agree with Doku on that one. They are fun, and I do like when authors work with the existing dysfunction and have the couple find a way to work through things. My beef with canon is that I just have this feeling that canon is going to ignore all of the problems and have Shinichi and Ran and Aoko and Kaito all end up just fine on the other side of things without ever having any conflict and resolution within the couples, and that's just not okay. It's not realistic.
If Aoyama-sensei wants to actually address the issues and have them find a way through their respective problems together, I will support him wholeheartedly because all four of them are wonderful people that deserve a lot of love and devotion, but...something tells me that a satisfying resolution is not going to happen. I just have this feeling that I'm going to end up incredibly disappointed when Ran and Aoko say, "You've been lying to me for a couple years now? Oh, no. Don't worry about it. That's fine. I still love you, and I'm not mad at all. Let's go get married now!" Can you see it happening? Anyway, we're off topic. Sorry. ^.^;
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Post by StarlightDragons on Dec 2, 2014 20:55:54 GMT
I have a tendency to stick to whatever canon either implies or says (I has no imagination, sheesh), though I really understand Mikau's reasoning ^_^
I think the excuse I'm making for myself is that, yes, Shinichi doesn't deserve Ran (same can be applied to Kaito and Aoko, and even a bit of Heiji and Kazuha...? Hm... nah, I don't think so, Heiji's a nice enough guy but anyway), but Ran definitely deserves Shinichi if he ever comes around in time for her to still want him. And I'd be a bit - or a lot - sad if all of her waiting ended up with just her letting go (don't even think about it) of it. Like... She deserves to have her wishes granted, for once.
...but at the same time she's strong enough that she doesn't need to have her wishes granted. Blarg.
I don't even know where I'm going with this anymore, but yeah. random thought from me!
the whole ~4000 words thing is making me so nervous because I have a tendency to run on and on and on and just keep killing words
oh and mikau, that ending is not one I want to see. XD totally in agreement with that. I'm looking for an explosion (maybe literal, it depends) and lots of bumps in the road, with a whole lot of running for bomb shelters.
But if they're going to stay in with canon personality, I really think the girls would get super mad (although the Kaito manga's debatable, since it's got a much lighter theme to it) and the idea of such an anticlimatic ending didn't even cross my mind, really. It's just... I dunno. More rambling, never mind me. XD can't even finish a thought, haha.
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Post by dogfish44 on Dec 2, 2014 22:28:13 GMT
Oooh, ShinRan Analysis?
One of my major headcanons for Ran is that she is not able to tell when a relationship is unhealthy. Look at the way she tries to get her parents back together - They will not work. They might care for each other and be able to reconcile... but I hope Gosho has them embrace friendship and divorce.
And it's this inability for her to determine a failing relationship that means that she's unable to see just how bad her "relationship" with Shinichi is.
It doesn't help that I think she's effectively trying to date her father - Korogo and Shinichi share a lot of their negative traits, and I can see Shinichi taking a downward spiral into more drastic problems (Holmes had his additions, after all).
Then there's an interesting read (I think it's in Psychology Revision?) where Shinichi's main "parental" figure is Ran, due to his parent's very laid-back parenting method. I think Shinichi is unable to also figure out the true position of his relationship with Ran, which further hurts them both.
It's a painful relationship. It can be made to work in my opinion, given time and the right situations (Shinichi needs to tell Ran about the organisation, oooh, several months ago?), but I prefer EiRan as an immediate relationship - this does leave Shinichi alone... but that works for me (I'll pass on CoAi ¬¬')
As for KaiAo... their relationship is less developed, which will help. My favourite resolution actually keeps them together once the secret's out (See Candyland's "A Perfect Act"), but again, it's situational.
Kazuha and Heiji are lucky to not have that many secrets xD
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Other minor pairings vary. Takagi x Sato I like very much (It's DC's best relationship), and I'm partial to Yumi x Skuu, and Yukiko x Yuusaku works well enough. I dislike Chima x Naeko (Childhood romance, CHECK), and Shiratori x Kobayashi (Childhood romance, CHECK). Oh, and I'm a rabid HakuSera shipper.
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Post by Doku on Dec 3, 2014 14:31:28 GMT
Speaking of Shinichi's parents though, that's a pretty interesting topic of discussion too.
I've always kind of loved the idea of Yukiko and Yusaku being kind of absent, irresponsible rich people. Like, they're kind of careless but it never puts them in dire straights because it just keeps rolling in. Of course that also kind of relies on my headcanon that the Kudos are a lot wealthier than the Suzuki family, but that's just me.
Plus, I know it's kind of a values dissonance when compared to the US, but I definitely think leaving him on his own at 13-14 plays a pretty big role - even though they probably left him to his own devices a lot before that too. My friend and I like to make terrible, awful jokes about Shinichi being an accident and his parents forgetting him at parties and stuff when he was too young to really remember. But that's just because we're bad people.
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Post by neonquincy1217 on Dec 3, 2014 15:21:11 GMT
Is it okay if we make another thread for pairings? This is getting kinda interesting... :3
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Post by SharaRaizel on Dec 3, 2014 17:25:44 GMT
agreed. Though, just to through my two cents in, I love ShinRan and KaiAo, but I'm open to most other pairings and match ups so long as they are written well. It's all about character chemistry for me, which is why I love writing KaiHaku/HakuKai (KaitoxHakuba) fan fics so much, because there is so much potential for a relationship and shenanigans there (Hakuba called him from freaking PARIS to warn him about Chat Noir after all ). And Hakuba already knows/suspects that Kaito is Kid, so there isn't so much lying on that front like there is with Aoko, just a lot of posturing and taunting. And since Hakuba's kinda known about Kaito/Kid from week 2, if he were to fall in love with Kaito and vise-versa, there wouldn't be a huge blow up (though maybe a small one) about it because they are both aware of who the other really is already. It's also the reason why I have trouble reading most KaiShin fics. The two have a lot of similarities both looks-wise and secrets/motivation-wise not to mention their paralleling relationships with Ran and Aoko. Again, it really depends on the writer for me and how they write the relationship. The reason I think Heiji and Kazuha work so well as a couple is because they aren't portrayed as a "perfect" couple, though they certainly argue like a married couple. They're still very childish and in crush-mode where they yell and tease one another to hide their feelings for the other. They're not another copy of the Shinichi/Ran and Kaito/Aoko pairings. Though they are all childhood-friend pairings, HeiKaz is different from ShinRan and KaiAo for some reason that I'm currently having trouble pin pointing and verbalizing.
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Post by Doku on Dec 3, 2014 18:35:24 GMT
You know, the thing about it is - you'd think that the way you could see Kaito and Hakuba getting together would be kind of similar to why I ship Shinichi and Heiji together. I.e. the whole they know the secret thing.
Meanwhile I'm just so shallow about it and I'm like "nah man, Heiji's just got a thirst only a Kudo can satisfy" followed by a bunch of bad jokes about Heiji being a teenage girl with a crush.
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Post by kkrazy256 on Dec 3, 2014 19:50:26 GMT
Since everyone seems so interested in this topic, it should be put in a separate thread (and not bombard the poor Writing Competition #3 thread xD)
So this thread is for discussion of pairings. Carry on!
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Post by Crimson Amarone on Dec 4, 2014 3:37:15 GMT
I have merged the posts from Competition 3's thread to here because they were getting off-topic. Sorry for the confusion with the order of the posts, it doesn't look like I can change that.
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Post by Nikudou Natsumi on Dec 4, 2014 3:39:29 GMT
Woah . . . you can do that? That's weird . . .
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Post by Crimson Amarone on Dec 4, 2014 3:45:21 GMT
Yeah, we haven't had much problems with this kind of situation before. But I think the conversation warranted the transfer to this topic thread.
As for the the discussion, I have lots of thoughts on the relationships in DC but I just haven't found the time to type it all out. XDD But I feel what a lot of you say about ShinRan. There ARE a lot of issues that can't be ignored but I think the problems are something I really want to see resolved in a satisfactory way. I do worry that things won't be handle the way most of us think it should, but I'm still hopeful.
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Post by neonquincy1217 on Dec 4, 2014 13:44:37 GMT
I was once a ShinRan fan, but lately, things tend to point to the direction of "Shinichi-will-just-go-ahead-and-make-a-fool-out-of-Ran-so-she-won't-find-out-Conan-is-Shinichi" type of thing. I want to see the old "I-am-a-strong-independent-woman-who-can-kick-ass" Ran, as opposed to always seeing Ran crying over Shinichi's absence *cringe* (For goodness' sake, Aoyama-sensei please stop making her cry!!!) Most, if not all the series I've watched in my life (LOL), I tend to lean towards supporting minor pairings (RoyxRiza in FMA, KazumaxYukina in Yuyu Hakusho, heck GentruxArya in Game of Thrones... for DC, I SOOOO LOVE MakotoxSonoko, Heizuha, TakagixSato. MAKOTO AND SONOKO ARE ADORABLE, MAY I JUST SHOUT THAT TO THE ENTIRE INTERWEBS?!). It's rarely that I incline myself with supporting the main pairings... except for KaitoxAoko... Well, there are a lot more main pairings that I support, but these two are so darn special to me, I just want them to have a happy ending eventually (I mean, I heard that there's one Yaiba chapter where Keiko makes her appearance and tells Sayaka that "Kuroba and Nakamori are dating"... I sooo wanna see that)... But like already pointed out, things are not gonna be easy for these two. They're adorkable, and if not for Kid they'd already be dating, it makes a tiny part of me hate the fact that Kaito is Kid (and it makes me hate the idea that if ever Toichi really is alive, it'll make the entire "Kaito is Kaitou Kid to avenge his father's death" pointless. SERIOUSLY I'm gonna kill someone if it turns out Toichi really is alive!!!). Anyways, back to KaitoxAoko... I'd like to think that unlike Ran and Kazuha, Aoko's smart(er), whether it be in the matter of her(not)love life with her (not)boyfriend, studies, and dealing with emotions. I'd love to think that once she finds out about Kaito being Kid, she'll have all the reason in the world to hate him. She'll be smart enough to hate Kaito sooooo, so much, she wouldn't even want to talk to him or see him, heck not even his shadow, or a strand of his hair. But she'll also be smart enough to eventually come to terms with that fact... if Kaito knows what's good for him and the person most important to him and explain to her the reason. And she'll be smart enough to know that despite the fact that she hates him for lying... well... her love for him outweighs the hate. But Kaito must give her all the time (and space) in the world for a chance to realize that. Bottomline, it's not gonna be easy... Waah, I want to say more but I might ultimately end up revealing the end of my fanfic (hehe, that's right, I write this way towards KaitoxAoko because of my ongoing fanfic, biased much? xD)... I also see HakubaxAkako, with Akako being the dominant one. It's kinda interesting since we all know Hakuba's a gentleman and Akako's... well, she wants to be in control. The pairing is both odd and curious... Although HakuSera is beginning to become really interesting (thank you forum peoples! no sarcasm intended... ) Heizuha's refreshing! I LOVE them! Except, come on, we need to make either one of them confess any time soon, mou!It's nice that things work out for poor Takagi and Division One's Lone Flower. I want to see more of them soon. Chukichi and Yumi-tan is a really interesting pairing, because in the past we see Yumi-tan being all flirty-flirty with the Metropolitan police, supporting TakagixSato pairing and ultimately getting jealous with those who have love lifes... But then comes Shukichi who is actually her ex but despite being not in a relationship with him for who knows how long they still love each other... JUST WAIT when she finds out he's a shogi master (and a brother to Akai and Sera, ahem ahem!)As for other pairings... Um, who here is getting kinda tired of childhood love interests, raise your hands!!! Seriously, ChibaxNaeko? ShiratorixKobayashi? YuusakuxYukiko? KogorouxEri? Heck, even Agasa-hakase has a childhood love interest! DX Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against these pairings but it's gets so repetitive!!! Just one or two is enough. This is too much...
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