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Post by dreamingfifi on May 31, 2016 2:42:56 GMT
In plenty of Anime and Manga, characters will have impossible hair colors that match the character's personalities instead of what their hair or eye colors actually are. Though DC is a LOT tamer in those regards - choosing to give characters a wide variety of body-types and hair-styles instead of unusual colors - lots of characters have blue or green eyes in DC, even characters who are supposed to be purely Japanese, with no European ancestry at all. Also, if a character is shocked, their eyes turn grey.
So, do you think that Shinichi's eyes really are blue? How do you approach it in your own stories?
Personally, I don't think that Shinichi's eyes are blue in canon. But, it's a concept that I like to play with, being familiar with prejudice in Japanese society against anyone who isn't of pure Japanese descent. (Not directly, but from the stories some of my Japanese-American friends have told me) I often choose to make Shinichi's eyes blue so I can explore that concept and how it would affect his life.
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Post by Addy01 on May 31, 2016 2:50:21 GMT
Hmm i think the coloured eyes are purely for artistic reasons...I'll write that he has blue eyes (and probably sing lyrics about it too, lol), but i won't touch on the social aspect of it, since it's the norm in DC anyway. But it's an interesting take (i assume you're referring to the second chap of afterlife?) and not everyone's going to write about it... so it'll make for a fascinating topic to write about.
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Post by dreamingfifi on May 31, 2016 3:06:14 GMT
(i assume you're referring to the second chap of afterlife?) Yeah, I got a review about it, so I decided it'd be a good thing to have a discussion on here about.
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Post by boogum on May 31, 2016 3:13:11 GMT
I take it as canon because it basically is canon for Gosho's version of Japan. Pretty much every character in the manga seems to have blue eyes. Most have brown hair. To say Shinichi (or Ran or Kaito, yadda yadda) has brown eyes wouldn't make sense to me because it wouldn't be true. Blue eyes is the Japanese default in Gosho's canon. Those who are foreign are typically characterised by fair hair (like Fusae lady or Haibara), but not their eyes.
Interestingly, Magic Kaito 1412 (anime) made Hakuba's eyes brown instead of his manga blue. I think, considering Hakuba is half English, this goes along with the idea that blue is Gosho's Japanese default.
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Post by dreamingfifi on May 31, 2016 3:31:35 GMT
Except for Heiji, who has green eyes. Akai and Sera also have green eyes, now that I think about it.
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Post by boogum on May 31, 2016 3:37:23 GMT
Heiji has blue eyes in the manga. Or, at least, he does at the beginning. But, yes, there are rare exceptions.
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Post by doublexxcross on May 31, 2016 8:14:01 GMT
There's actually a few questions about this that have cropped up in interviews:
"Q: Why are almost all characters in the series blue-eyed, while blue-eyed people aren't very common in Japan in reality? A: Blue is more colorful." -June 2006, German press conference
"Q: Well... Someone asked to me ask this but... Kir, Bourbon, Cherry (guess he meant to say Sherry), their eyes turn into foreigners' when BO mode: are they mixed race? A: Ah... No, not really. When Conan gets surprised he also gets foreigner-like eyes so... I draw them like that when I want to portray scared eyes: there's no special meaning to them. Sorry. But they maybe (some odd word: apparently Gosho can't come up with the word he wants to use) half, even. (According to the person who wrote this it might be that he was trying to think of alternative word to "half", another way to tell mixed race characters apart)" - Let's Talk With Aoyama Goshou-sensei Day 2016
According to this, blue is just the default eye colour for Aoyama and is indeed intended to be non-diegetic.
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Post by dreamingfifi on Jun 1, 2016 4:42:12 GMT
Well, that settles that.
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Post by neonquincy1217 on Jun 4, 2016 6:39:18 GMT
Oooh, interesting... :3 *files for future references*
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Post by midnight on Jun 6, 2016 17:27:00 GMT
Conan and the others I don't know but I considered the possibility of Kaito not being simply japanese but having mixed blood, as Phantom Lady's dark hair was a wig and her hair was blond, plus I think she too has blue eyes, plus that heist occures at Paris... so she may be japanese but have foreigner parents or have moved there for a bit at some point of her life only to return... Anyways, Kaito could've inherited Chikage's blue eyes? I just feel like Chikage's current hair is actually dyed, maybe because in MK1412 it has shades of purple. So yeah, I can imagine Kaito being half japanese half ¿?
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Post by doublexxcross on Jun 6, 2016 18:04:38 GMT
Conan and the others I don't know but I considered the possibility of Kaito not being simply japanese but having mixed blood, as Phantom Lady's dark hair was a wig and her hair was blond, plus I think she too has blue eyes, plus that heist occures at Paris... so she may be japanese but have foreigner parents or have moved there for a bit at some point of her life only to return... Anyways, Kaito could've inherited Chikage's blue eyes? I just feel like Chikage's current hair is actually dyed, maybe because in MK1412 it has shades of purple. So yeah, I can imagine Kaito being half japanese half ¿? It's worth remembering that Aoyama defaults to exactly two ways of treating hair on the page: inked or no. Inked is always black or dark brown, whereas blank means literally anything from brown to white. It's also more likely to be mentioned what colour said hair is if it's not brown, suggesting that's the default interpretation. On top of that, Aoyama's watercolours will tend to render anything not dark-brown as appearing blond due to his washed-out style, regardless of what colour he gives in the actual text. Fine example: Haibara's hair is white in the manga and blonde in the watercolours - but it's canonically auburn, and we know this because Gin actually tells us that it is. The same situation exists for Sonoko - white in manga, blonde in watercolours, but midway through the series she's tied into a case because she fits the murderer's type of brown-haired victims. Of course, Chikage is a unique case in terms of her current hair colour, because she was recently rendered with screentone hair (a rare if not non-existent thing for Aoyama post-early MK) which seems to heavily suggest it's dyed an unnatural colour, just as in MK1412.
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Post by midnight on Jun 6, 2016 20:59:18 GMT
Oh, I didn't realize that.
Mm, I guess we'll have to wait for Aoyama to add something on the matter then, either on a new chapter or on an interview
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Post by dreamingfifi on Jun 6, 2016 22:07:07 GMT
Conan and the others I don't know but I considered the possibility of Kaito not being simply japanese but having mixed blood, as Phantom Lady's dark hair was a wig and her hair was blond, plus I think she too has blue eyes, plus that heist occures at Paris... so she may be japanese but have foreigner parents or have moved there for a bit at some point of her life only to return... Anyways, Kaito could've inherited Chikage's blue eyes? I just feel like Chikage's current hair is actually dyed, maybe because in MK1412 it has shades of purple. So yeah, I can imagine Kaito being half japanese half ¿? It's quite true that Kaito may be half-Japanese, but that wouldn't lead to blue eyes in most cases. Most Japanese people are brown-eyed, and blue eyes are a recessive trait. You'd need to have two parents with the blue-eye gene in order for a child with blue eyes to be born. So, Kaito's eye color is probably non-diegetic as well.
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Post by midnight on Jun 7, 2016 16:11:33 GMT
Just made a quick search on google: if Chikage has blue eyes, Kaito's odds of getting blue eyes is actually 50%. My parents both have green eyes and I have blue eyes making me part of a 25%, so technically Kaito has had more chances than me of getting blue eyes xD. But yeah, if both parents were japanese and thus had brown eyes it would be a 6.25% to come out blue
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Post by ichthyophobia on Jun 7, 2016 19:38:14 GMT
Okay, just to clarify here: Aoyama ignores the rules of genetic inheritance like crazy. Like, Fusae Campbell is supposed to be blonde because of one non-Japanese parent, which is not actually possible. Blonde is recessive, just like blue eyes are recessive, and while it's possible for a Japanese-looking parent to carry those genes without necessarily showing them, they'd have to have foreign blood at some point in their family tree - which most people don't, or it would occasionally show up in the population naturally. Aoyama's not a scientist (or someone who's taken basic biology recently enough to remember the finer points) and it really does show sometimes.
Midnight, I don't know what you looked up, but the chances are entirely dependent on his parents being homozygous or heterozygous - if Toichi's heterozygous (which means that he would carry the alleles for both blue and brown eyes, but would have the brown eye phenotype because brown eyes are dominant) and Chikage has blue eyes (which would automatically mean she's homozygous for the trait) then yes, he'd have a 50% shot of getting blue eyes. But if Toichi's homozygous (aka two copies of the brown allele) then he'd have a zero percent chance of getting anything but brown, because if there's a single version of the brown allele then that's what'll be expressed.
Blue/brown eye color is actually what's called a loss-of-function mutation. There isn't actually a pigment in the eyes for "blue" - that's just what color the iris appears in the absence of a high pigment concentration of something else. What's happened with the allele for blue eyes is the pigment the gene codes is produced way, way less. If it was produced at its normal rate, the eyes would appear brown. That's why the trait is recessive. So if someone has a single functional copy of the gene, it will always be brown. Both copies of the gene have to be nonfunctional for the blue to show up. When other eye colors are factored in, blue will always be recessive, because if the pigments for other colors will hide the blue just as easily as the brown pigment would.
So, long story short: don't even bring genetics into this. Aoyama ignores them in all cases where he doesn't feel like making them plot relevant.
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