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Post by boogum on May 9, 2016 1:14:22 GMT
But it's fun!
I'm seriously tempted to write this. I have all these great scenes popping into my head. The only thing drawing me back is writing school scenes.
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Post by Addy01 on May 9, 2016 1:43:53 GMT
lol. SSA Javier Grey P.I from ffn writes some Fem!shin that got me hooked. though the author writes more KaiFem!shin then just Fem!shin fics. And most Fem!shin fic are so focus of Kaifem!shin.... i want to read beyond that if possible. I'll be a happy girl if someone could write a decent fem!shin fic with good characterisation! if anyone here could do one that'll be great But i agree that's it's tricky to balance the whole right balance and character thingy. I am still having some trouble having Fem!shin the way i think it should work though.... Also, i think there's one Shin turn to fem fic... but it wasn't well written enough to hook me in. haha hope you guys could do that plot bunny!
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Post by boogum on May 9, 2016 1:46:54 GMT
Pretty much every Fem!Shin summary I have seen is also KaiShin. I swear these authors just do it because they want KaiShin but without making the boys gay. Bit silly if you ask me, but oh well.
I'm thinking of taking a vignette/collection sort of approach to the Shinichi is turned female idea. I don't think I could handle writing it like an actual story, but if I just take it piece by piece and update when I feel like it, then I could probably make something of it. Shall see.
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Post by Addy01 on May 9, 2016 1:59:57 GMT
Haha will definitely look forward to that!... i reckon that's an element of self-insert too, which is why they make Shinichi Fem! most of the time. And i am honest enough to admit that i get swept away with it too. Which makes it harder to write the fem!shin fic. it's a good challenge none the less.
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Post by boogum on May 9, 2016 2:08:57 GMT
I really can't make any promises that I will write it. I have three main fanfiction writing projects I am working on, plus an original novel, and I really should just be focussing on those. I make my readers wait far too often for updates.
Self-inserts make me die a little. Not gonna lie.
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Post by Addy01 on May 9, 2016 2:15:17 GMT
i should clarify that i meant, sometimes only, getting carried away with self-inserts, i mean.
I hate self-inserts too. and i definitely avoid doing that for my writing.
a couple of plot bunnies got thrown into the gutter when i get carried away thinking about it and realise...oppsy, that's a self-insert there. delete delete delete.
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Post by Taliya on May 9, 2016 3:28:11 GMT
I agree. Self-inserts are terrible. But dang it all, Boogum, now you've plot bunnies... making bunnies in my brain. I. Hate. You. So. Much. Right. Now. Edit: I also don't really write pairings, so if I did write this, it would be a non-rom fic.
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Post by Taliya on May 9, 2016 3:37:12 GMT
I just realized that if you made it so that the apoptoxin changed Shinichi into a female but failed to de-age him, do you realize how quickly you get into situations that cause all sorts of uncomfortableness with writing this? I'm specifically thinking strictly... female matters...
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Post by boogum on May 9, 2016 3:47:42 GMT
Yesss. I know. Hence, my evil giggling.
I can imagine Shinichi being all 'Okay, no problem. I can get through this.' And then reality hits. Mwahahaa.
If you do write this, I really will be so ridiculously happy. I know you would do the idea justice.
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Post by Addy01 on May 9, 2016 4:30:00 GMT
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Post by TinyTantei on May 9, 2016 4:48:10 GMT
[Note: most of this, except for the bottom bit, mostly relates to Shinichi being born female, not really with Shinichi turning female, although it still is relevant. ] Laughs because this topic is something that's been on my mind for about a month now. I'm going to be salty for a second here; not to any of y'all, but I definitely agree with you, Boogum, on the "not making a ship gay" front. Here's a post I made on Tumblr a few days ago, because it actually is a problem that hurts the fandom, not only in terms of the ship, but also the characterization - you would probably be right on the self-insert point, and probably are in some cases, but a lot of Shinichis are actually pretty in character....too in character, perhaps, for somebody who was raised as a female instead of a male. But anyways, one of the ways that you can keep Shinichi's characterization similar to canon if genderbending him - and this is by no means the only way, or the easiest, but it's just the way that I do it - is to go back to the basics. I've got a fem!Kaito RP blog, and I'm working on a fic for her, and basically right now it's just "do what Kaito would do, except she's been mildly persecuted her whole life". On the off-chance of sounding social-justicey, gender roles are honestly a social construct. Would canon Shinichi like dresses? If so, then cool, fem!Shin might, too. If not, same thing. Just because she was born female doesn't necessarily mean she plays into the whole "pink frilly dresses" thing. The only thing that would really change wouldn't be how Shinichi perceives herself, but how the outer world perceives her. She'd probably be forced into girlier situations (a la Yukiko, which Shinichi might not like, considering how Shinichi in canon dislikes being bossed around), or persuaded not to be a detective (but considering her pride, she might/most like still would be one anyways), but her beliefs and thoughts wouldn't inherently change. But that's just my ranty gender-biased opinion on it, feel free to, like, ignore it. Also, shrugs, but another unpopular opinion is that I don't like people relying too much on- yes, I'm going to say it- periods as a fem!character plot device, if only because it's such a weird stereotype that all DFABs have super intense cramps that make them die for a week (seriously, I personally have never once felt anything like what other people have described as dying, and that might just be me, but the symptoms are so varied anyways that one stereotype is nowhere close to the whole truth), and scientifically exercise is known to alleviate menstrual cramps, so technically speaking somebody who plays soccer and exercises on a regular basis shouldn't be feeling cramps as intensely as people love to say that women do for the sake of a plot device.
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Post by Addy01 on May 9, 2016 5:32:33 GMT
Also, shrugs, but another unpopular opinion is that I don't like people relying too much on- yes, I'm going to say it- periods as a fem!character plot device, if only because it's such a weird stereotype that all DFABs have super intense cramps that make them die for a week (seriously, I personally have never once felt anything like what other people have described as dying, and that might just be me, but the symptoms are so varied anyways that one stereotype is nowhere close to the whole truth), and scientifically exercise is known to alleviate menstrual cramps, so technically speaking somebody who plays soccer and exercises on a regular basis shouldn't be feeling cramps as intensely as people love to say that women do for the sake of a plot device. I think it's okay to use it if it serves to advance the plot (though i haven't seen a fic that's done it yet). but most of the time it doesn't do anything and hence useless.
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Post by TinyTantei on May 9, 2016 5:52:07 GMT
I think it's okay to use it if it serves to advance the plot (though i haven't seen a fic that's done it yet). but most of the time it doesn't do anything and hence useless. Eeeeh, I guess it's just a matter of how it's used? Like, I know a lot of crossdressing fics (a la Ouran High School Host Club and the like) have their characters being "outed" by their cramps getting too bad, and it's just super c(r)ampy to do something like that, considering how overdone it is in both mainstream media and fanfiction. I guess I'm just too picky, haha.
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Post by boogum on May 9, 2016 6:27:04 GMT
From someone who actually does sometimes get crippled by cramps (and I actually do mean that, complete with passing out and vomiting from the sheer intensity of the pain), despite being very active, I can say that it's not always down to how active you are. You are very fortunate you don't get them bad, Tiny, though I know what you mean by people over-doing it in fiction. I can still go to work with mine (even though I want to kill everything and everyone), so yeah. I would find it a bit silly if Shinichi was 'outed' over something like this, because I don't think he would have such a low pain tolerance to not at least pretend like nothing was wrong.
I honestly think it depends how it is done (as with everything).
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Post by Taliya on May 9, 2016 6:41:53 GMT
Seconded. My ex was two seconds from taking me to the ER because I seriously felt like I was giving birth. I wonder to this day if I gave him a hairline fracture from squeezing his hand hard enough while I screamed my head off. I never wanted to tear out my uterus as badly as I did then. You are truly lucky, Tiny.
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